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== What to measure == | == What to measure == | ||
Some things can be measured for belts: | Some things can be measured for belts: | ||
* '''Length''' (or area). Items have a collision box of 0. | * '''Length''' (or area). Items have a collision box of 0.28125 x 0.28125 [[tile]]s. So 10 items laying in a single row on a belt, non moving, take length of 2.8125 tiles. | ||
* '''Speed'''. The speed of items on a belt is measured for practical reasons in tiles/sec or tiles/min. Note, that internaly it's measured in tiles per tick (1/60 sec) | * '''Speed'''. The speed of items on a belt is measured for practical reasons in tiles/sec or tiles/min. Note, that internaly it's measured in tiles per tick (1/60 sec). The speed of basic belt is 0.03125 tiles per tick (1/32) or 1.875 [[tile]]s per [[Game-second]]. | ||
* '''Density''' | * '''Density'''. The density is ''items per tile''. How many items can lay on a tile or in conjuction with belts: how many items can lay in a row/lane. There are in average 3.5555556 items per lane or 7,111111111 (32/9*2) on a tile of belt (=2 lanes). Which means in practical terms, that on a fully compressed belt there can be either 6, 7 or 8 items during one tick. | ||
* '''Throughput'''. How many items per minute are moved from one tile to the next. Measured in items/sec or better items/min. | * '''Throughput'''. How many items per minute are moved from one tile to the next. Measured in items/sec or better items/min. That is for basic belt density (items per tile) multiplied with speed (tiles per second): 9/32 items/tile * 1/32 tiles/tick = 0,008789062 items per tick or 0,52734375 items per second. | ||
=== How to calculate this numbers yourself === | |||
==== Basic belt ==== | |||
Belts have two ''lanes'': Left and right lane. | |||
Each lane of a belt consists out of 32 '''slots'''. A slot is just a virtual position on the belt with the width of 1/32 tiles (= 0.03125 tiles). | |||
An item, that is put on a belt (on a lane) takes 9 slots of space. This explains the size of items: 0.28125 x 0.28125 [[tile]]s (9/32 = 0.28125). Which means also, that 32/9 items (3,555555556 items) can fit on one lane of one belt. Which means: Either 3 or 4 items fit on a tile of belt (32/9 × 2), which means either 6, 7 or 8 items fit on one belt! | |||
Speed: Each [[Game-tick|tick]] an item on a belt (the 9 slots it takes) is moved by one slot. That explains the speed of a basic belt: 0.03125 tiles per tick (1/32). | |||
==== Curves ==== | |||
The inner lane has 13.5 slots the outer 37 slots. Which means in the end, that either 6 or 7 items can be in curves. | |||
==== The faster belts ==== | |||
For that the number of slots, that an item is moved per tick is just multiplied. For [[Fast belt]]s two slots, for [[Express belt]]s 3 slots. That explains, why fast belts are exactly 2 times faster, than basic and express belt is 3 times faster than basic. | |||
For more information around this subject you might read this article: [https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=33685&hilit=belts+pipes Factorio: a quantitative guide] | |||
== Theory == | == Theory == | ||
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Awaited throughput above matches actual for .12 and .13 versions of the game. | Awaited throughput above matches actual for .12 and .13 versions of the game. | ||
== Measured Results .11 or Older == | == Measured Results for v0.11 or Older == | ||
'''This is outdated and should be outsourced from this article but not deleted, cause it is an interesting fact.''' | |||
With Factorio v0.12 new belt physics was introduced. Before that the items where moved as real objects (which means, they need to look forward, if there is space to move), with 0.12 the items are moved "per lane". Also the physics in curves changed so that curves are now not longer have lower throughput. | |||
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| This results have been measured with a special designed factory (a complicated setup to guarantee, that only the running items on a belt are measured and a "timer" which stops the measuring exactly) and Factorio v0.6.x, so this has to be redone. | | This results have been measured with a special designed factory (a complicated setup to guarantee, that only the running items on a belt are measured and a "timer" which stops the measuring exactly) and Factorio v0.6.x, so this has to be redone. | ||
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== Comments to the results == | === Comments to the results === | ||
The first surprising result is, that the theoretic throughput differs from real measured. Too much to be just measurement errors.The second result is, that the more speed a belt has, the more ineffective it becomes. That is in the first moment not clearly explainable. The awaited result is, that a fast belt can transport exactly the double amount of items, than a basic, because it is double as fast (1.875 tiles/sec vs. 3.75 tiles/sec). | The first surprising result is, that the theoretic throughput differs from real measured. Too much to be just measurement errors.The second result is, that the more speed a belt has, the more ineffective it becomes. That is in the first moment not clearly explainable. The awaited result is, that a fast belt can transport exactly the double amount of items, than a basic, because it is double as fast (1.875 tiles/sec vs. 3.75 tiles/sec). | ||
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* [https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=33685 Factorio: a quantitative guide] | * [https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=33685 Factorio: a quantitative guide] | ||
* [http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1213&p=8450&hilit=physics#p8450|Factorio and real physics] | |||
[[Category: Items]] [[Category: Transport network]] [[Category: Moving ground]] | [[Category: Items]] [[Category: Transport network]] [[Category: Moving ground]] | ||
Revision as of 13:22, 8 November 2016
< Transport belts | Physics
In Factorio every item on screen is a real object in memory and follows the rules of the Game engine. For simulation games, this is not typical; it's much more common to generalize. Best examples are the older versions of SimCity, where the the simulation doesn't simulate every inhabitant of the city.
The reason for that is just CPU-performance. Real-time game-physics for up to 100,000 of objects at the same time is not typical for a simulation game. And the Factorio Game engine creates an exact and reproducible simulation of the Factorio world and it is so exact, that it can be used, to measure some astonishing behavior of belts.
What to measure
Some things can be measured for belts:
- Length (or area). Items have a collision box of 0.28125 x 0.28125 tiles. So 10 items laying in a single row on a belt, non moving, take length of 2.8125 tiles.
- Speed. The speed of items on a belt is measured for practical reasons in tiles/sec or tiles/min. Note, that internaly it's measured in tiles per tick (1/60 sec). The speed of basic belt is 0.03125 tiles per tick (1/32) or 1.875 tiles per Game-second.
- Density. The density is items per tile. How many items can lay on a tile or in conjuction with belts: how many items can lay in a row/lane. There are in average 3.5555556 items per lane or 7,111111111 (32/9*2) on a tile of belt (=2 lanes). Which means in practical terms, that on a fully compressed belt there can be either 6, 7 or 8 items during one tick.
- Throughput. How many items per minute are moved from one tile to the next. Measured in items/sec or better items/min. That is for basic belt density (items per tile) multiplied with speed (tiles per second): 9/32 items/tile * 1/32 tiles/tick = 0,008789062 items per tick or 0,52734375 items per second.
How to calculate this numbers yourself
Basic belt
Belts have two lanes: Left and right lane.
Each lane of a belt consists out of 32 slots. A slot is just a virtual position on the belt with the width of 1/32 tiles (= 0.03125 tiles).
An item, that is put on a belt (on a lane) takes 9 slots of space. This explains the size of items: 0.28125 x 0.28125 tiles (9/32 = 0.28125). Which means also, that 32/9 items (3,555555556 items) can fit on one lane of one belt. Which means: Either 3 or 4 items fit on a tile of belt (32/9 × 2), which means either 6, 7 or 8 items fit on one belt!
Speed: Each tick an item on a belt (the 9 slots it takes) is moved by one slot. That explains the speed of a basic belt: 0.03125 tiles per tick (1/32).
Curves
The inner lane has 13.5 slots the outer 37 slots. Which means in the end, that either 6 or 7 items can be in curves.
The faster belts
For that the number of slots, that an item is moved per tick is just multiplied. For Fast belts two slots, for Express belts 3 slots. That explains, why fast belts are exactly 2 times faster, than basic and express belt is 3 times faster than basic.
For more information around this subject you might read this article: Factorio: a quantitative guide
Theory
The data here is taken from the transport-belt prototypes.
| belt-type | factor basic belt speed | speed (tiles/tick) | speed (tiles/sec) | speed (tiles/min) | density (single lane) items/tile | awaited throughput (2 lanes) items/sec | awaited throughput items/min |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Basic | 1 | 0.03125 | 1.875 | 112.5 | 3.571 | 13.39125 | 803.475 |
| Fast | 2 | 0.0625 | 3.75 | 225 | 3.571 | 26.7825 | 1606.95 |
| Express | 3 | 0.09375 | 5.625 | 337.5 | 3.571 | 40.17375 | 2410.425 |
| belt-type | factor basic belt speed | speed (tiles/tick) | speed (tiles/sec) | speed (tiles/min) | density (single lane) items/tile | awaited throughput (2 lanes) items/sec | awaited throughput items/min |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Basic | 1 | 0.03125 | 1.875 | 112.5 | 3.555 | 13.33 | 800.00 |
| Fast | 2 | 0.0625 | 3.75 | 225 | 3.555 | 26.66 | 1600.00 |
| Express | 3 | 0.09375 | 5.625 | 337.5 | 3.555 | 40.00 | 2400.00 |
We assume here, that the density of items is always equal, so the transported amount should reflect the speed.
Awaited throughput above matches actual for .12 and .13 versions of the game.
Measured Results for v0.11 or Older
This is outdated and should be outsourced from this article but not deleted, cause it is an interesting fact.
With Factorio v0.12 new belt physics was introduced. Before that the items where moved as real objects (which means, they need to look forward, if there is space to move), with 0.12 the items are moved "per lane". Also the physics in curves changed so that curves are now not longer have lower throughput.
| This results have been measured with a special designed factory (a complicated setup to guarantee, that only the running items on a belt are measured and a "timer" which stops the measuring exactly) and Factorio v0.6.x, so this has to be redone.
See forum article |
| belt-type | throughput items/min | throughput items/sec | percent of awaited | comments |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Basic | 719 | 11.98 | 90% | |
| Fast | 1184 | 19.73 | 74% | this is NOT double as fast as basic! it's only 1,65 times faster - see comments down |
| Express | 1775 | 29.58 | 74% | about 2.5 times faster than basic |
| belt-type | throughput items/min | comments |
|---|---|---|
| Basic | 477-486 | About 1.5 times slower. This is because the inner lane of a belt in a turn has only the half speed. |
| Fast | 786-792 | |
| Express | 1038-1042 |
| belt-type | throughput items/min | comments |
|---|---|---|
| Basic with fast edge-belts | 674-683 | |
| Fast with express edge-belts | 1058-1061 | The fast belt with express edge seems to be faster, than pure express belt! |
Comments to the results
The first surprising result is, that the theoretic throughput differs from real measured. Too much to be just measurement errors.The second result is, that the more speed a belt has, the more ineffective it becomes. That is in the first moment not clearly explainable. The awaited result is, that a fast belt can transport exactly the double amount of items, than a basic, because it is double as fast (1.875 tiles/sec vs. 3.75 tiles/sec).
The reason for this difference is the distance of the items on the belt when running. Items on the belt cannot run completely compressed, they need a small distance. This is the same problem as in a traffic jam: You cannot drive, when the first car drives, you need to wait until the car before you drives and then you have a reaction-time of about 1/2 second before yourself begin to drive. The same is it with the items on the belt and the reaction-time here is 1/60 or one tick [currently not really validated, but not more than 2 ticks; this can be calculated by measuring how fast the standing wave goes through the items (needs to built a very complicated testing factory)]. You can see this reaction time running through your items as a standing wave, when you have a belt, which is completely filled and only sometimes an item is removed. When you compare the speed of this standing waves, you can see clearly, that they are the same speed for all types of belts.
The reaction-distance for items on a basic belt is
(1.875 tiles/sec) / 1 tick = 1.875 tiles/sec / 1/60 sec = 0.031125 tiles
or in other words: An item on a moving belt is not 0.28 tiles long, it is 0.31125 tiles, which makes it 11.2% longer
Overview for all belts:
Basic: 0.28 tiles + 0.03125 tiles = 0.31125 tiles => 11.2% Fast: 0.28 tiles + 0.0625 tiles = 0.3425 tiles => 22.3% Express: 0.28 tiles + 0.09375 tiles = 0.37375 tiles => 33.5%
This explains the reduction to 90% of speed for basic belt and the 74% for the fast belt (all inside measuring errors), but doesn't explain the results for express belt. This is part of further research.
This shows clearly, that the faster a belt is, the more distance the items have on a moving belt. More distance means, the density is lighter and this means, there are not so many items transported.
(This may explain the discrepancy in transported items, but don't use the numbers for real calculations, because they need to be redone!) (This is eventually one reason: http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3630 )
A possible reason for this: http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6817