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Bilka: /* Memory cells */ much appreciated addition!

2024-08-30T15:26:04Z

Memory cells: much appreciated addition!

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	I've updated this section. I found combinators very hard to understand. The examples always only include the combinators, but not how they're used. And I haven't found a source that clearly explains what's happening, on a tick-by-tick basis. So I've added some blueprints, some images, and a lot more explanatory text. However, I'm not sure if that is in the spirit of this tutorial. Maybe there should be two pages: This tutorial, which only explains how to use combinators, and another page that explains why it works, what's going on. --[[User:Ndh\|Ndh]] ([[User talk:Ndh\|talk]]) 13:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)		I've updated this section. I found combinators very hard to understand. The examples always only include the combinators, but not how they're used. And I haven't found a source that clearly explains what's happening, on a tick-by-tick basis. So I've added some blueprints, some images, and a lot more explanatory text. However, I'm not sure if that is in the spirit of this tutorial. Maybe there should be two pages: This tutorial, which only explains how to use combinators, and another page that explains why it works, what's going on. --[[User:Ndh\|Ndh]] ([[User talk:Ndh\|talk]]) 13:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
			: Thank you very much, this kind of "how it works" explanation is just right for this page. -- [[User:Bilka\|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka\|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 15:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

	== Binary gates redundant? ==		== Binary gates redundant? ==

Ndh: /* Memory cells */

2024-06-29T13:15:44Z

Memory cells

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	The image for the decider combinator shows 1 greater than 30. It should be less than in order to work, and to match the text. -- [[User:Kathrynn\|Kathrynn]] ([[User talk:Kathrynn\|talk]]) 18:06, 13 February 2021 (UTC)		The image for the decider combinator shows 1 greater than 30. It should be less than in order to work, and to match the text. -- [[User:Kathrynn\|Kathrynn]] ([[User talk:Kathrynn\|talk]]) 18:06, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
	:Thank you to both of you for letting me know. I have fixed the two images. -- [[User:Bilka\|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka\|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 12:30, 16 February 2021 (UTC)		:Thank you to both of you for letting me know. I have fixed the two images. -- [[User:Bilka\|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka\|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 12:30, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

			I've updated this section. I found combinators very hard to understand. The examples always only include the combinators, but not how they're used. And I haven't found a source that clearly explains what's happening, on a tick-by-tick basis. So I've added some blueprints, some images, and a lot more explanatory text. However, I'm not sure if that is in the spirit of this tutorial. Maybe there should be two pages: This tutorial, which only explains how to use combinators, and another page that explains why it works, what's going on. --[[User:Ndh\|Ndh]] ([[User talk:Ndh\|talk]]) 13:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

	== Binary gates redundant? ==		== Binary gates redundant? ==

Bilka: /* Memory cells */ images fixed

2021-02-16T12:30:03Z

Memory cells: images fixed

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	The image for the decider combinator shows 1 greater than 30. It should be less than in order to work, and to match the text. -- [[User:Kathrynn\|Kathrynn]] ([[User talk:Kathrynn\|talk]]) 18:06, 13 February 2021 (UTC)		The image for the decider combinator shows 1 greater than 30. It should be less than in order to work, and to match the text. -- [[User:Kathrynn\|Kathrynn]] ([[User talk:Kathrynn\|talk]]) 18:06, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
			:Thank you to both of you for letting me know. I have fixed the two images. -- [[User:Bilka\|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka\|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 12:30, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

	== Binary gates redundant? ==		== Binary gates redundant? ==

Kathrynn: /* Memory cells */

2021-02-13T18:07:24Z

Memory cells

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	There is a mistake in the new image for the "Positives and Negatives cell" by "Zippy." In the original image there is a green wire connecting the input of [2] to the input of [3] which must be present for the memory cell to function properly; without it the [M] output simply increments on each tick. In case that description is confusing, here is an image where I use the blueprint selection box to highlight the wire I'm talking about: https://i.imgur.com/XRLAEkh.png [[User:Maoman\|Maoman]] ([[User talk:Maoman\|talk]]) 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)		There is a mistake in the new image for the "Positives and Negatives cell" by "Zippy." In the original image there is a green wire connecting the input of [2] to the input of [3] which must be present for the memory cell to function properly; without it the [M] output simply increments on each tick. In case that description is confusing, here is an image where I use the blueprint selection box to highlight the wire I'm talking about: https://i.imgur.com/XRLAEkh.png [[User:Maoman\|Maoman]] ([[User talk:Maoman\|talk]]) 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

			The image for the decider combinator shows 1 greater than 30. It should be less than in order to work, and to match the text. -- [[User:Kathrynn\|Kathrynn]] ([[User talk:Kathrynn\|talk]]) 18:06, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

	== Binary gates redundant? ==		== Binary gates redundant? ==

Maoman: /* Memory cells */

2021-02-12T11:10:29Z

Memory cells

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	:::: There's one advantage for the previous design: It's useful for someone that absolutely requires a reset-on-negative and not reset on a dedicated line, and does not care about the flicker issue. But that seems like a very rare edge case, and someone who needs it is most likely very experienced and doesn't need this guide. -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 15:54, 13 May 2018 (UTC)		:::: There's one advantage for the previous design: It's useful for someone that absolutely requires a reset-on-negative and not reset on a dedicated line, and does not care about the flicker issue. But that seems like a very rare edge case, and someone who needs it is most likely very experienced and doesn't need this guide. -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 15:54, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

	There is a mistake in the new image by "Zippy." In the original image there is a green wire connecting the input of [2] to the input of [3] which must be present for the memory cell to function properly; without it the [M] output simply increments on each tick. In case that description is confusing, here is an image where I use the blueprint selection box to highlight the wire I'm talking about: https://i.imgur.com/XRLAEkh.png [[User:Maoman\|Maoman]] ([[User talk:Maoman\|talk]]) 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)		There is a mistake in the new image for the "Positives and Negatives cell" by "Zippy." In the original image there is a green wire connecting the input of [2] to the input of [3] which must be present for the memory cell to function properly; without it the [M] output simply increments on each tick. In case that description is confusing, here is an image where I use the blueprint selection box to highlight the wire I'm talking about: https://i.imgur.com/XRLAEkh.png [[User:Maoman\|Maoman]] ([[User talk:Maoman\|talk]]) 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

	== Binary gates redundant? ==		== Binary gates redundant? ==

Maoman at 11:07, 12 February 2021

2021-02-12T11:07:39Z

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	:::: There's one advantage for the previous design: It's useful for someone that absolutely requires a reset-on-negative and not reset on a dedicated line, and does not care about the flicker issue. But that seems like a very rare edge case, and someone who needs it is most likely very experienced and doesn't need this guide. -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 15:54, 13 May 2018 (UTC)		:::: There's one advantage for the previous design: It's useful for someone that absolutely requires a reset-on-negative and not reset on a dedicated line, and does not care about the flicker issue. But that seems like a very rare edge case, and someone who needs it is most likely very experienced and doesn't need this guide. -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 15:54, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

			There is a mistake in the new image by "Zippy." In the original image there is a green wire connecting the input of [2] to the input of [3] which must be present for the memory cell to function properly; without it the [M] output simply increments on each tick. In case that description is confusing, here is an image where I use the blueprint selection box to highlight the wire I'm talking about: https://i.imgur.com/XRLAEkh.png [[User:Maoman\|Maoman]] ([[User talk:Maoman\|talk]]) 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

	== Binary gates redundant? ==		== Binary gates redundant? ==

ZeroKnight: Forgot signature; remove period in section title

2019-10-04T10:41:06Z

Forgot signature; remove period in section title

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	There's also a decent overlap with the cookbook page (the madzuri setup, memory cells, sr latches, logic gates). And virtual signals are explained here and on the circuit network page. That is not a problem as such but it means there is more work to keep it updated. In sections where the intended depth of explanation is comparable between the pages, it may be better to keep the content on one page and have a link on the other one. [[User:Unique 2\|Unique 2]] ([[User talk:Unique 2\|talk]]) 23:25, 10 March 2019 (UTC)		There's also a decent overlap with the cookbook page (the madzuri setup, memory cells, sr latches, logic gates). And virtual signals are explained here and on the circuit network page. That is not a problem as such but it means there is more work to keep it updated. In sections where the intended depth of explanation is comparable between the pages, it may be better to keep the content on one page and have a link on the other one. [[User:Unique 2\|Unique 2]] ([[User talk:Unique 2\|talk]]) 23:25, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

	== Working on improving the Virtual Signal section. ==		== Working on improving the Virtual Signal section ==

	So far I've rewritten the section explaining wildcards, as it was very terse compared to overview at the [[Circuit network#Logic signals]] section. Given that this is a tutorial page, they should be explained in depth, which I attempted to do.		So far I've rewritten the section explaining wildcards, as it was very terse compared to overview at the [[Circuit network#Logic signals]] section. Given that this is a tutorial page, they should be explained in depth, which I attempted to do.

	I plan to add a similar explanation for the other virtual signals, but for now I've stayed up way past my bed time :)		I plan to add a similar explanation for the other virtual signals, but for now I've stayed up way past my bed time :) --[[User:ZeroKnight\|ZeroKnight]] ([[User talk:ZeroKnight\|talk]]) 10:41, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

ZeroKnight: /* Working on improving the Virtual Signal section. */ new section

2019-10-04T10:39:00Z

Working on improving the Virtual Signal section.: new section

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	There's also a decent overlap with the cookbook page (the madzuri setup, memory cells, sr latches, logic gates). And virtual signals are explained here and on the circuit network page. That is not a problem as such but it means there is more work to keep it updated. In sections where the intended depth of explanation is comparable between the pages, it may be better to keep the content on one page and have a link on the other one. [[User:Unique 2\|Unique 2]] ([[User talk:Unique 2\|talk]]) 23:25, 10 March 2019 (UTC)		There's also a decent overlap with the cookbook page (the madzuri setup, memory cells, sr latches, logic gates). And virtual signals are explained here and on the circuit network page. That is not a problem as such but it means there is more work to keep it updated. In sections where the intended depth of explanation is comparable between the pages, it may be better to keep the content on one page and have a link on the other one. [[User:Unique 2\|Unique 2]] ([[User talk:Unique 2\|talk]]) 23:25, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

			== Working on improving the Virtual Signal section. ==

			So far I've rewritten the section explaining wildcards, as it was very terse compared to overview at the [[Circuit network#Logic signals]] section. Given that this is a tutorial page, they should be explained in depth, which I attempted to do.

			I plan to add a similar explanation for the other virtual signals, but for now I've stayed up way past my bed time :)

Unique 2: /* This is not a beginner tutorial at the moment */ new section

2019-03-10T23:25:57Z

This is not a beginner tutorial at the moment: new section

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	I have updated the page to have some clarification of what is meant by bitwise and some additional notes on the gates, as some can function with boolean or non-boolean values (or binary vs non-binary values), and some can have more inputs. Let me know if something doesn't make sense or should be improved. I'm also not sure if the built in ones should be under the others or before it. [[User:BlackJack69\|BlackJack69]] ([[User talk:BlackJack69\|talk]]) 00:19, 12 February 2019 (UTC)		I have updated the page to have some clarification of what is meant by bitwise and some additional notes on the gates, as some can function with boolean or non-boolean values (or binary vs non-binary values), and some can have more inputs. Let me know if something doesn't make sense or should be improved. I'm also not sure if the built in ones should be under the others or before it. [[User:BlackJack69\|BlackJack69]] ([[User talk:BlackJack69\|talk]]) 00:19, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

			== This is not a beginner tutorial at the moment ==

			This page seems inappropriate for circuit beginners and I've added a sentence at the beginning to keep beginners from getting frustrated; the circuit network page and cookbook page should be more helpful for beginners. A beginner section on this (or on a different page) that explains how to connect wires, how signals work and so on would be useful.

			There's also a decent overlap with the cookbook page (the madzuri setup, memory cells, sr latches, logic gates). And virtual signals are explained here and on the circuit network page. That is not a problem as such but it means there is more work to keep it updated. In sections where the intended depth of explanation is comparable between the pages, it may be better to keep the content on one page and have a link on the other one. [[User:Unique 2\|Unique 2]] ([[User talk:Unique 2\|talk]]) 23:25, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

BlackJack69: /* Binary gates redundant? */

2019-02-12T00:19:23Z

Binary gates redundant?

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	::: I can see the merit in these designs for 3 or more inputs. But I think it should be clear to the reader that the 2-input designs are alternatives to the built-in ones, and that the bitwise vs binary sentence should be clarified. -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 14:06, 14 May 2018 (UTC)		::: I can see the merit in these designs for 3 or more inputs. But I think it should be clear to the reader that the 2-input designs are alternatives to the built-in ones, and that the bitwise vs binary sentence should be clarified. -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 14:06, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

			I have updated the page to have some clarification of what is meant by bitwise and some additional notes on the gates, as some can function with boolean or non-boolean values (or binary vs non-binary values), and some can have more inputs. Let me know if something doesn't make sense or should be improved. I'm also not sure if the built in ones should be under the others or before it. [[User:BlackJack69\|BlackJack69]] ([[User talk:BlackJack69\|talk]]) 00:19, 12 February 2019 (UTC)