Talk:Storage tank - Revision history

Bilka: /* Regarding the revert of "steam tank as energy storage" */ Reply

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Regarding the revert of "steam tank as energy storage": Reply

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 :: I think I see your point. Technically one could use a fluid wagon rather than a storage tank to achieve the same advantages. Then perhaps the calculations should be moved out of this page into the electric system page as well. -- [[User:SafwatHalaby|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby|talk]]) 14:18, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
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 :: I don't know what the right page order should be and exactly which paragraphs belong where, but all my steam related edits revolve around trying to be pragmatic; when my friend saw this page they couldn't grasp the advantages of steam over accumulators. Those advantages should be easily accessible from this page, by either linking to them or directly putting them here. Before my edits, these advantages were spread across [[power production]], [[electric system]], and this page, without proper links. Now we're down to two pages, which is good. But the advantages need to somehow be accessible from this page for practicality's sake. -- [[User:SafwatHalaby|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby|talk]]) 14:22, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
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+:::I understand your motivation, however, like I said, all the advantages are advantages in relation to some other thing. So, they best fit on a page that also deals with that other thing. A see also link like you added it now is enough to point users to the right page. -- [[User:Bilka|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 19:09, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

SafwatHalaby at 14:23, 14 May 2018

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	:: I don't know what the right page order should be and exactly which paragraphs belong where, but all my steam related edits revolve around trying to be pragmatic; when my friend saw this page they couldn't grasp the advantages of steam over accumulators. Those advantages should be easily accessible from this page, by either linking to them or directly putting them here. Before my edits, these advantages were spread across power production, electric system, and ~~here~~ without proper links. Now we're down to two pages, which is good. But the advantages need to somehow be accessible from this page for practicality's sake. -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 14:22, 14 May 2018 (UTC)		:: I don't know what the right page order should be and exactly which paragraphs belong where, but all my steam related edits revolve around trying to be pragmatic; when my friend saw this page they couldn't grasp the advantages of steam over accumulators. Those advantages should be easily accessible from this page, by either linking to them or directly putting them here. Before my edits, these advantages were spread across [[power production]], [[electric system]], and this page, without proper links. Now we're down to two pages, which is good. But the advantages need to somehow be accessible from this page for practicality's sake. -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 14:22, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

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SafwatHalaby at 14:22, 14 May 2018

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	:: I think I see your point. Technically one could use a fluid wagon rather than a storage tank to achieve the same advantages. Then perhaps the calculations should be moved out of this page into the electric system page as well. -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 14:18, 14 May 2018 (UTC)		:: I think I see your point. Technically one could use a fluid wagon rather than a storage tank to achieve the same advantages. Then perhaps the calculations should be moved out of this page into the electric system page as well. -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 14:18, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

			:: Let me take a step back and explain what I'm trying to do. Perhaps you could help.

			:: I don't know what the right page order should be and exactly which paragraphs belong where, but all my steam related edits revolve around trying to be pragmatic; when my friend saw this page they couldn't grasp the advantages of steam over accumulators. Those advantages should be easily accessible from this page, by either linking to them or directly putting them here. Before my edits, these advantages were spread across power production, electric system, and here without proper links. Now we're down to two pages, which is good. But the advantages need to somehow be accessible from this page for practicality's sake. -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 14:22, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

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SafwatHalaby at 14:18, 14 May 2018

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	== Regarding the revert of "steam tank as energy storage" ==		== Regarding the revert of "steam tank as energy storage" ==

	Could you elaborate why the steam tank advantages over accumulators does not belong on the steam tank page? ~~-- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 13:55, 14 May 2018 (UTC)~~		Could you elaborate why the steam tank advantages over accumulators does not belong on the steam tank page? All the mentioned advantages are storage tank specific. -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 13:55, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

	~~: To be clear:~~ All the mentioned advantages are storage tank specific~~. - Except the last one regarding trains, but that kind of transportation always results in storing in a storage tank~~. - -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 13:58, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


			:: I think I see your point. Technically one could use a fluid wagon rather than a storage tank to achieve the same advantages. Then perhaps the calculations should be moved out of this page into the electric system page as well. -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 14:18, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

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SafwatHalaby at 14:02, 14 May 2018

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	: To be clear: All the mentioned advantages are storage tank specific. - Except the last one regarding trains, but that kind of transportation always results in storing in a storage tank. - -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 13:58, 14 May 2018 (UTC)		: To be clear: All the mentioned advantages are storage tank specific. - Except the last one regarding trains, but that kind of transportation always results in storing in a storage tank. - -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 13:58, 14 May 2018 (UTC)



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			<blockquote>There are several advantages to storing energy in storage tanks compared with storing it in an accumulator:
			* The energy density of a storage tank tile is much higher than it is with accumulators.
			** For 165°C steam (produced with [[boiler\|boilers]]), a single storage tank stores as much as 15 accumulators: <code>750MJ / 5MJ = 150</code>
			** For 500°C steam (produced using [[Heat exchanger\|heat exchangers]]), a single storage tank stores as much as 48 accumulators: <code>2400MJ / 5MJ = 480</code>
			* A [[nuclear reactor]] always fully burns a fuel cell, releasing 8GJ (or more with the multiple reactor bonus) even if power demand is lower. The excess energy can be stored as steam.
			* A single [[accumulator]]'s maximum discharge rate is 300kW. On a very heavy load (e.g. laser turret firing), a small accumulator array may not discharge fast enough, causing power disruptions. A steam engine can produce 900kW of energy from the stored steam (3 times faster discharge rate), and a turbine can produce 5800kW (6.4 times faster discharge rate). In other words, a number of turbines or steam engines with steam storage can cope with much higher bursts than the same number of accumulators.
			* Steam can be transferred via trains and then consumed remotely via turbines or steam engines. This essentially "transports electricity" using trains.
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	Could you elaborate why the steam tank advantages over accumulators does not belong on the steam tank page? -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 13:55, 14 May 2018 (UTC)		Could you elaborate why the steam tank advantages over accumulators does not belong on the steam tank page? -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 13:55, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

			: To be clear: All the mentioned advantages are storage tank specific. - Except the last one regarding trains, but that kind of transportation always results in storing in a storage tank. - -- [[User:SafwatHalaby\|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby\|talk]]) 13:58, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

SafwatHalaby: /* Regarding the revert of "steam tank as energy storage" */ new section

2018-05-14T13:55:12Z

Regarding the revert of "steam tank as energy storage": new section

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== Regarding the revert of "steam tank as energy storage" ==

Could you elaborate why the steam tank advantages over accumulators does not belong on the steam tank page? -- [[User:SafwatHalaby|SafwatHalaby]] ([[User talk:SafwatHalaby|talk]]) 13:55, 14 May 2018 (UTC)