Talk:Science pack - Revision history

Bilka: timezone fix

2023-03-01T13:28:53Z

timezone fix

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	\| {{icon\|Iron plate\|17.8}} {{icon\|Copper plate\|46}} {{icon\|Steel plate\|~14.867}} {{icon\|Plastic bar\|10.5}} {{icon\|Electronic circuit\|~10.2}} {{icon\|Advanced circuit\|~9.83}} {{icon\|Processing unit\|~1.767}} {{icon\|Coal\|5}} {{icon\|Stone\|5}} {{icon\|Stone brick\|~8.33}} {{icon\|Rocket fuel\|1.05}} {{icon\|Battery\|~1.167}} {{icon\|Sulfur\|0.5}} {{icon\|Electric engine unit\|~0.33}}		\| {{icon\|Iron plate\|17.8}} {{icon\|Copper plate\|46}} {{icon\|Steel plate\|~14.867}} {{icon\|Plastic bar\|10.5}} {{icon\|Electronic circuit\|~10.2}} {{icon\|Advanced circuit\|~9.83}} {{icon\|Processing unit\|~1.767}} {{icon\|Coal\|5}} {{icon\|Stone\|5}} {{icon\|Stone brick\|~8.33}} {{icon\|Rocket fuel\|1.05}} {{icon\|Battery\|~1.167}} {{icon\|Sulfur\|0.5}} {{icon\|Electric engine unit\|~0.33}}
	\|} {{Unsigned\|LordLorentz\|20:27, 12 December 2022}}		\|} {{Unsigned\|LordLorentz\|21:27, 12 December 2022}}
	: Hello, thank you for your ideas! The issue with breaking things down into "components" is that people tend to disagree what those components should be. For example, someone may not want to break down gears, but does want to break down blue circuits or batteries. To sidestep this issue of subjectivity, the wiki has settled on using the same "total raw" display as in-game recipe tooltips, which is based on what can be handcrafted. This means that more nuanced breakdowns with more individual component selections belong more to the realm of Factorio calculators (in-game or on the web) than the wiki. Thank you for asking about this here on the talk page. -- [[User:Bilka\|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka\|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 13:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)		: Hello, thank you for your ideas! The issue with breaking things down into "components" is that people tend to disagree what those components should be. For example, someone may not want to break down gears, but does want to break down blue circuits or batteries. To sidestep this issue of subjectivity, the wiki has settled on using the same "total raw" display as in-game recipe tooltips, which is based on what can be handcrafted. This means that more nuanced breakdowns with more individual component selections belong more to the realm of Factorio calculators (in-game or on the web) than the wiki. Thank you for asking about this here on the talk page. -- [[User:Bilka\|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka\|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 13:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Bilka: /* Add more varied cost tables */ Reply

2023-03-01T13:27:24Z

Add more varied cost tables: Reply

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			: Hello, thank you for your ideas! The issue with breaking things down into "components" is that people tend to disagree what those components should be. For example, someone may not want to break down gears, but does want to break down blue circuits or batteries. To sidestep this issue of subjectivity, the wiki has settled on using the same "total raw" display as in-game recipe tooltips, which is based on what can be handcrafted. This means that more nuanced breakdowns with more individual component selections belong more to the realm of Factorio calculators (in-game or on the web) than the wiki. Thank you for asking about this here on the talk page. -- [[User:Bilka\|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka\|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 13:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Bilka: /* Improve clarity of science pack assembly ratio */ Done

2023-03-01T13:14:08Z

Improve clarity of science pack assembly ratio: Done

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	The clarification is true because multiplying both sides of a ratio by the same number does not change the ratio. In this case, faster or slower crafting speeds don't affect how many assemblers are needed.		The clarification is true because multiplying both sides of a ratio by the same number does not change the ratio. In this case, faster or slower crafting speeds don't affect how many assemblers are needed.
	--[[User:Jonathanberger\|Jonathanberger]] ([[User talk:Jonathanberger\|talk]]) 17:45, 4 Oct 2022 (UTC)		--[[User:Jonathanberger\|Jonathanberger]] ([[User talk:Jonathanberger\|talk]]) 17:45, 4 Oct 2022 (UTC)
			: Hey, that is a great point! I have amended the page to make it clear that the ratio applies whenever the same type of assembler is used. I think your suggestion was a bit confusing in that it did not exclude combining different tiers of assemblers for different science packs, but it was still a great starting point. -- [[User:Bilka\|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka\|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 13:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

	== Add more varied cost tables ==		== Add more varied cost tables ==

LordLorentz at 21:27, 12 December 2022

2022-12-12T21:27:07Z

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 | {{imagelink|Space science pack}} || {{icon|Iron plate|0.3}} {{icon|Copper plate|22.5}} {{icon|Steel plate|2.7}} {{icon|Plastic bar|5.5}} {{icon|Electronic circuit|6.525}} {{icon|Advanced circuit|5}} {{icon|Processing unit|1.1}} {{icon|Rocket fuel|1.05}} {{icon|Battery|0.5}}
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LordLorentz at 21:16, 12 December 2022

2022-12-12T21:16:02Z

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 | {{imagelink|Space science pack}} || {{icon|Space science pack|1000}} per launched {{icon|Satellite}} || {{icon|Time|300}} {{icon|Iron plate|0.3}} {{icon|Copper plate|22.5}} {{icon|Steel plate|2.7}} {{icon|Plastic bar|5.5}} {{icon|Electronic circuit|6.525}} {{icon|Advanced circuit|5}} {{icon|Processing unit|1.1}} {{icon|Rocket fuel|1.05}} {{icon|Battery|0.5}}
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LordLorentz at 21:09, 12 December 2022

2022-12-12T21:09:37Z

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	The clarification is true because multiplying both sides of a ratio by the same number does not change the ratio. In this case, faster or slower crafting speeds don't affect how many assemblers are needed.		The clarification is true because multiplying both sides of a ratio by the same number does not change the ratio. In this case, faster or slower crafting speeds don't affect how many assemblers are needed.
	--[[User:Jonathanberger\|Jonathanberger]] ([[User talk:Jonathanberger\|talk]]) 17:45, 4 Oct 2022 (UTC)		--[[User:Jonathanberger\|Jonathanberger]] ([[User talk:Jonathanberger\|talk]]) 17:45, 4 Oct 2022 (UTC)

			== Add more varied cost tables ==

			This would be useful for more distributed bases.

			{\| class="wikitable"
			! Type !! Recipe !! Total raw
			\|-
			\| {{imagelink\|Automation science pack}} \|\| {{icon\|Time\|5}} + {{icon\|copper plate\|1}} + {{icon\|iron gear wheel\|1}} → {{icon\|Automation science pack\|1}} \|\| {{icon\|Time\|5.5}} {{icon\|iron plate\|2}} {{icon\|copper plate\|1}}
			\|-
			\| {{imagelink\|Logistic science pack}} \|\| {{icon\|Time\|6}} + {{icon\|Transport belt\|1}} + {{icon\|Inserter\|1}} → {{icon\|Logistic science pack\|1}} \|\| {{icon\|Time\|8.75}} {{icon\|iron plate\|4.5}} {{icon\|Electronic circuit\|1}}
			\|-
			\| {{imagelink\|Military science pack}} \|\| {{icon\|Time\|10}} + {{icon\|Piercing rounds magazine\|1}} + {{icon\|Grenade\|1}} + {{Icon\|Wall\|2}} → {{icon\|Military science pack\|2}} \|\| {{icon\|Time\|23}} {{icon\|Iron plate\|9}} {{icon\|Copper plate\|5}} {{icon\|Steel plate\|1}} {{icon\|Coal\|10}} {{icon\|Stone brick\|10}}
			\|-
			\| {{imagelink\|Chemical science pack}} \|\| {{icon\|Time\|24}} + {{icon\|Sulfur\|1}} + {{icon\|Advanced circuit\|3}} + {{icon\|Engine unit\|2}} → {{icon\|Chemical science pack\|2}} \|\| {{icon\|Time\|52.5}} {{icon\|Iron plate\|8}} {{icon\|Sulfur\|1}} {{icon\|Steel plate\|2}} {{icon\|Advanced circuit\|3}}
			\|-
			\| {{imagelink\|Production science pack}} \|\| {{icon\|Time\|21}} + {{icon\|Rail\|30}} + {{icon\|Electric furnace\|1}} + {{icon\|Productivity module\|1}} → {{icon\|Production science pack\|3}} \|\| {{icon\|Time\|153.5}} {{icon\|Iron plate\|7.5}} {{icon\|Electronic circuit\|5}} {{icon\|Steel plate\|25}} {{icon\|Advanced circuit\|10}} {{icon\|Stone\|15}} {{icon\|Stone brick\|10}}
			\|-
			\| {{imagelink\|Utility science pack}} \|\| {{icon\|Time\|21}} + {{icon\|Processing unit\|2}} + {{icon\|Flying robot frame\|1}} + {{icon\|Low density structure\|3}} → {{icon\|Utility science pack\|3}} \|\| {{icon\|Time\|104.75}} {{icon\|Copper plate\|60}} {{icon\|Electronic circuit\|3}} {{icon\|Steel plate\|7}} {{icon\|Plastic bar\|15}} {{icon\|Battery\|2}} {{icon\|Processing unit\|2}} {{icon\|Electric engine unit\|1}}
			\|-
			\| {{imagelink\|Space science pack}} \|\| {{icon\|Space science pack\|1000}} per launched {{icon\|Satellite}} \|\| {{icon\|Time\|300}} {{icon\|Iron plate\|0.3}} {{icon\|Copper plate\|22.5}} {{icon\|Steel plate\|2.7}} {{icon\|Plastic bar\|5.5}} {{icon\|Electronic circuit\|6.525}} {{icon\|Advanced circuit\|5}} {{icon\|Processing unit\|1.1}} {{icon\|Rocket fuel\|1.05}} {{icon\|Battery\|0.5}}
			\|}

Jonathanberger: /* Improve clarity of science pack assembly ratio */

2022-10-04T17:46:45Z

Improve clarity of science pack assembly ratio

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	~~This should be changed to~~:		I'd suggest:
	<blockquote>		<blockquote>
	If using plain [[assembling machine 3]] then packs will be produced at 75 items per minute. However, any of the three assemblers may be used and science production will be kept in sync.		If using plain [[assembling machine 3]] then packs will be produced at 75 items per minute. However, any of the three assemblers may be used and science production will be kept in sync.

Jonathanberger: /* Improve clarity of science pack assembly ratio */

2022-10-04T17:44:44Z

Improve clarity of science pack assembly ratio

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	The clarification is true because multiplying both sides of a ratio by the same number does not change the ratio. In this case, faster or slower crafting speeds don't affect how many assemblers are needed.		The clarification is true because multiplying both sides of a ratio by the same number does not change the ratio. In this case, faster or slower crafting speeds don't affect how many assemblers are needed.
			--[[User:Jonathanberger\|Jonathanberger]] ([[User talk:Jonathanberger\|talk]]) 17:45, 4 Oct 2022 (UTC)

Jonathanberger: /* Improve clarity of science pack assembly ratio */

2022-10-04T17:41:07Z

Improve clarity of science pack assembly ratio

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	This should be changed to:		This should be changed to:
	<blockquote>		<blockquote>
	If plain [[assembling machine 3]] ~~are used~~ then packs will be produced at 75 items per minute. However, any of the three assemblers may be used and science production will be kept in sync.		If using plain [[assembling machine 3]] then packs will be produced at 75 items per minute. However, any of the three assemblers may be used and science production will be kept in sync.
	</blockquote>		</blockquote>

	The clarification is true because multiplying both sides of a ratio by the same number does not change the ratio. In this case, faster or slower crafting speeds don't affect how many assemblers are needed.		The clarification is true because multiplying both sides of a ratio by the same number does not change the ratio. In this case, faster or slower crafting speeds don't affect how many assemblers are needed.

Jonathanberger: /* Improve clarity of science pack assembly ratio */ new section

2022-10-04T17:40:28Z

Improve clarity of science pack assembly ratio: new section

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	--[[User:M.C.S.\|M.C.S.]] ([[User talk:M.C.S.\|talk]]) 21:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)		--[[User:M.C.S.\|M.C.S.]] ([[User talk:M.C.S.\|talk]]) 21:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
	:It was indeed an error, thank you for finding it and pointing it out. I have fixed it now. -- [[User:Bilka\|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka\|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 10:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC)		:It was indeed an error, thank you for finding it and pointing it out. I have fixed it now. -- [[User:Bilka\|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka\|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 10:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

			== Improve clarity of science pack assembly ratio ==

			I'd like to make a sentence at the bottom of the page more clear:
			<blockquote>
			The list above assumes that the science packs are being produced from [[assembling machine 3]], being produced at 75 items per minute without any beacons/modules.
			</blockquote>

			This should be changed to:
			<blockquote>
			If plain [[assembling machine 3]] are used then packs will be produced at 75 items per minute. However, any of the three assemblers may be used and science production will be kept in sync.
			</blockquote>

			The clarification is true because multiplying both sides of a ratio by the same number does not change the ratio. In this case, faster or slower crafting speeds don't affect how many assemblers are needed.