Talk:Energy and work - Revision history

Abbi at 18:18, 19 January 2025

2025-01-19T18:18:05Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 18:18, 19 January 2025
Line 39:		Line 39:

	::::: The cap applies to ''recipes''. All recipes. Mining ore is not a recipe, nor is research, so [[Productivity#Limits\|they don't count]]. [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 17:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC)		::::: The cap applies to ''recipes''. All recipes. Mining ore is not a recipe, nor is research, so [[Productivity#Limits\|they don't count]]. [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 17:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

			:::::: Ah, good. Thanks.--[[User:Abbi\|Abbi]] ([[User talk:Abbi\|talk]]) 18:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Alfonse: /* Other > 100% efficiency scenarios? */

2025-01-19T17:08:08Z

Other > 100% efficiency scenarios?

← Older revision		Revision as of 17:08, 19 January 2025
Line 38:		Line 38:
	:::: Drat. And it looks like it applies to all of the infinite productivity techs, too - or does it just apply to buildings with recyclable outputs? ([[Mining productivity (research)]] has a table that such would rather invalidate.)--[[User:Abbi\|Abbi]] ([[User talk:Abbi\|talk]]) 16:51, 19 January 2025 (UTC)		:::: Drat. And it looks like it applies to all of the infinite productivity techs, too - or does it just apply to buildings with recyclable outputs? ([[Mining productivity (research)]] has a table that such would rather invalidate.)--[[User:Abbi\|Abbi]] ([[User talk:Abbi\|talk]]) 16:51, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

	::::: The cap applies to ''recipes''. All recipes. Mining ore is not a recipe, nor is research, so [[Productivity@Limits\|they don't count]].		::::: The cap applies to ''recipes''. All recipes. Mining ore is not a recipe, nor is research, so [[Productivity#Limits\|they don't count]]. [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 17:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Alfonse: /* Other > 100% efficiency scenarios? */

2025-01-19T17:07:41Z

Other > 100% efficiency scenarios?

← Older revision		Revision as of 17:07, 19 January 2025
Line 37:		Line 37:

	:::: Drat. And it looks like it applies to all of the infinite productivity techs, too - or does it just apply to buildings with recyclable outputs? ([[Mining productivity (research)]] has a table that such would rather invalidate.)--[[User:Abbi\|Abbi]] ([[User talk:Abbi\|talk]]) 16:51, 19 January 2025 (UTC)		:::: Drat. And it looks like it applies to all of the infinite productivity techs, too - or does it just apply to buildings with recyclable outputs? ([[Mining productivity (research)]] has a table that such would rather invalidate.)--[[User:Abbi\|Abbi]] ([[User talk:Abbi\|talk]]) 16:51, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

			::::: The cap applies to ''recipes''. All recipes. Mining ore is not a recipe, nor is research, so [[Productivity@Limits\|they don't count]].

Abbi: (Forgot to sign, added)

2025-01-19T16:51:42Z

(Forgot to sign, added)

← Older revision		Revision as of 16:51, 19 January 2025
Line 36:		Line 36:
	::: Productivity for all recipes is capped at 300% ([https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-375 for precisely this reason in fact]). So unless you're using mods which raise this cap, it cannot happen. [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 05:14, 19 January 2025 (UTC)		::: Productivity for all recipes is capped at 300% ([https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-375 for precisely this reason in fact]). So unless you're using mods which raise this cap, it cannot happen. [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 05:14, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

	:::: Drat. And it looks like it applies to all of the infinite productivity techs, too - or does it just apply to buildings with recyclable outputs? ([[Mining productivity (research)]] has a table that such would rather invalidate.)		:::: Drat. And it looks like it applies to all of the infinite productivity techs, too - or does it just apply to buildings with recyclable outputs? ([[Mining productivity (research)]] has a table that such would rather invalidate.)--[[User:Abbi\|Abbi]] ([[User talk:Abbi\|talk]]) 16:51, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Abbi: /* Other > 100% efficiency scenarios? */

2025-01-19T16:51:21Z

Other > 100% efficiency scenarios?

← Older revision		Revision as of 16:51, 19 January 2025
Line 35:		Line 35:

	::: Productivity for all recipes is capped at 300% ([https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-375 for precisely this reason in fact]). So unless you're using mods which raise this cap, it cannot happen. [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 05:14, 19 January 2025 (UTC)		::: Productivity for all recipes is capped at 300% ([https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-375 for precisely this reason in fact]). So unless you're using mods which raise this cap, it cannot happen. [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 05:14, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

			:::: Drat. And it looks like it applies to all of the infinite productivity techs, too - or does it just apply to buildings with recyclable outputs? ([[Mining productivity (research)]] has a table that such would rather invalidate.)

Alfonse: /* Other > 100% efficiency scenarios? */

2025-01-19T05:14:11Z

Other > 100% efficiency scenarios?

← Older revision		Revision as of 05:14, 19 January 2025
Line 33:		Line 33:

	:: At at 21+ levels of this tech in an Assembling machine three with legendary productivity modules, or 31+ without other productivity bonuses, the recipe produces more than 4 units per standard input amount. Therefor, if you recycle the outputs, you'll get more of the inputs than you started with, having of only spent energy. Similar is true of the processing unit, but that requires its liquid input, making it more ambiguous. (Also, although it can be made in the Foundry as well as Assembly Machines, it can be recycled into its parts - as can be seen in the factoriopedia.)--[[User:Abbi\|Abbi]] ([[User talk:Abbi\|talk]]) 04:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)		:: At at 21+ levels of this tech in an Assembling machine three with legendary productivity modules, or 31+ without other productivity bonuses, the recipe produces more than 4 units per standard input amount. Therefor, if you recycle the outputs, you'll get more of the inputs than you started with, having of only spent energy. Similar is true of the processing unit, but that requires its liquid input, making it more ambiguous. (Also, although it can be made in the Foundry as well as Assembly Machines, it can be recycled into its parts - as can be seen in the factoriopedia.)--[[User:Abbi\|Abbi]] ([[User talk:Abbi\|talk]]) 04:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

			::: Productivity for all recipes is capped at 300% ([https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-375 for precisely this reason in fact]). So unless you're using mods which raise this cap, it cannot happen. [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 05:14, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Abbi: /* Other > 100% efficiency scenarios? */

2025-01-19T04:57:55Z

Other > 100% efficiency scenarios?

← Older revision		Revision as of 04:57, 19 January 2025
Line 32:		Line 32:
	: Can you explain how exactly this research "allows for the direct fabrication of matter from energy?" [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 03:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)		: Can you explain how exactly this research "allows for the direct fabrication of matter from energy?" [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 03:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

	:: At at 21+ levels of this tech in an Assembling machine three with legendary productivity modules, or 31+ without productivity bonuses, the recipe produces more than 4 units per standard input amount. Therefor, if you recycle the outputs, you'll get more of the inputs than you started with, having of only spent energy. Similar is true of the processing unit, but that requires its liquid input, making it more ambiguous. (Also, although it can be made in the Foundry as well as Assembly Machines, it can be recycled into its parts - as can be seen in the factoriopedia.)--[[User:Abbi\|Abbi]] ([[User talk:Abbi\|talk]]) 04:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)		:: At at 21+ levels of this tech in an Assembling machine three with legendary productivity modules, or 31+ without other productivity bonuses, the recipe produces more than 4 units per standard input amount. Therefor, if you recycle the outputs, you'll get more of the inputs than you started with, having of only spent energy. Similar is true of the processing unit, but that requires its liquid input, making it more ambiguous. (Also, although it can be made in the Foundry as well as Assembly Machines, it can be recycled into its parts - as can be seen in the factoriopedia.)--[[User:Abbi\|Abbi]] ([[User talk:Abbi\|talk]]) 04:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Abbi: /* Other > 100% efficiency scenarios? */

2025-01-19T04:57:37Z

Other > 100% efficiency scenarios?

← Older revision		Revision as of 04:57, 19 January 2025
Line 31:		Line 31:

	: Can you explain how exactly this research "allows for the direct fabrication of matter from energy?" [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 03:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)		: Can you explain how exactly this research "allows for the direct fabrication of matter from energy?" [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 03:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

			:: At at 21+ levels of this tech in an Assembling machine three with legendary productivity modules, or 31+ without productivity bonuses, the recipe produces more than 4 units per standard input amount. Therefor, if you recycle the outputs, you'll get more of the inputs than you started with, having of only spent energy. Similar is true of the processing unit, but that requires its liquid input, making it more ambiguous. (Also, although it can be made in the Foundry as well as Assembly Machines, it can be recycled into its parts - as can be seen in the factoriopedia.)--[[User:Abbi\|Abbi]] ([[User talk:Abbi\|talk]]) 04:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Alfonse: /* Other > 100% efficiency scenarios? */

2025-01-19T03:39:53Z

Other > 100% efficiency scenarios?

← Older revision		Revision as of 03:39, 19 January 2025
Line 29:		Line 29:

	At the very least, enough [[Low density structure productivity (research)]]{{SA}} allows for the direct fabrication of matter from energy, which I am very much so aware should take an amount of energy that vastly exceeds any amount that makes sense to have in one location. (We know it doesn't use air, because it can be done in space). I'm left wondering if there's such cases outside of the infinite productivity researches - the other infinite productivity researches are more ambiguous in this regard, due to any of being non-recyclable, having liquid ingredients, or affecting something that isn't removed from where it is produced.--[[User:Abbi\|Abbi]] ([[User talk:Abbi\|talk]]) 03:37, 19 January 2025 (UTC)		At the very least, enough [[Low density structure productivity (research)]]{{SA}} allows for the direct fabrication of matter from energy, which I am very much so aware should take an amount of energy that vastly exceeds any amount that makes sense to have in one location. (We know it doesn't use air, because it can be done in space). I'm left wondering if there's such cases outside of the infinite productivity researches - the other infinite productivity researches are more ambiguous in this regard, due to any of being non-recyclable, having liquid ingredients, or affecting something that isn't removed from where it is produced.--[[User:Abbi\|Abbi]] ([[User talk:Abbi\|talk]]) 03:37, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

			: Can you explain how exactly this research "allows for the direct fabrication of matter from energy?" [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 03:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Abbi: /* Other > 100% efficiency scenarios? */ new section

2025-01-19T03:37:44Z

Other > 100% efficiency scenarios?: new section

← Older revision		Revision as of 03:37, 19 January 2025
Line 25:		Line 25:

	: Thank you for this amazing overhaul of the page; it is now much more clear, and also right from the perspective of the factorio source code, which defines all energy as joules, and converts watt into joule ([[Types/Energy]]). -- [[User:Bilka\|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka\|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 10:56, 6 February 2018 (UTC)		: Thank you for this amazing overhaul of the page; it is now much more clear, and also right from the perspective of the factorio source code, which defines all energy as joules, and converts watt into joule ([[Types/Energy]]). -- [[User:Bilka\|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka\|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 10:56, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

			== Other > 100% efficiency scenarios? ==

			At the very least, enough [[Low density structure productivity (research)]]{{SA}} allows for the direct fabrication of matter from energy, which I am very much so aware should take an amount of energy that vastly exceeds any amount that makes sense to have in one location. (We know it doesn't use air, because it can be done in space). I'm left wondering if there's such cases outside of the infinite productivity researches - the other infinite productivity researches are more ambiguous in this regard, due to any of being non-recyclable, having liquid ingredients, or affecting something that isn't removed from where it is produced.--[[User:Abbi\|Abbi]] ([[User talk:Abbi\|talk]]) 03:37, 19 January 2025 (UTC)