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Alfonse: /* Should the page list all biochamber recipes? */ Counterpoint

2025-01-20T15:03:15Z

Should the page list all biochamber recipes?: Counterpoint

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	:: In conclusion, my personal opinion is that just list related recipes in few topic pages. For example, all informations on enemies are concluded in the page [[Enemies]], it can be referenced anywhere when needed, and when any changes happened, only the topic page need to be updated. That could improve the maintainability of the entire wiki system, reduce unnecessary new/redirect pages and increase the information density of existing topic pages (such as [[Oil processing]] and [[Uranium processing]]). Perhaps some new topic pages are needed, but finally that could beneficial for improving the efficiency of information circulation. -- [[User:Cardinal\|Cardinal]] ([[User talk:Cardinal\|talk]]) 08:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)		:: In conclusion, my personal opinion is that just list related recipes in few topic pages. For example, all informations on enemies are concluded in the page [[Enemies]], it can be referenced anywhere when needed, and when any changes happened, only the topic page need to be updated. That could improve the maintainability of the entire wiki system, reduce unnecessary new/redirect pages and increase the information density of existing topic pages (such as [[Oil processing]] and [[Uranium processing]]). Perhaps some new topic pages are needed, but finally that could beneficial for improving the efficiency of information circulation. -- [[User:Cardinal\|Cardinal]] ([[User talk:Cardinal\|talk]]) 08:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

			::: This is getting a bit off-topic, but the "Enemies" page is ''not'' what I would use as an example of a good page. In vanilla, maybe it was OK, but SA has enough new enemy types and mechanics that shoving them all onto the same page makes it basically unusable as something you would ever read. It's a gigantic grab-bag of vaguely related information. Linking into the middle of it ''maybe'' works, but the page as a page has too much information in it. It'd be like putting plastic, sulfur, solid fuel and lubricant all on the same page because... they're all oil processing products.
			::: Speaking of which, the [[Oil processing]] page is very much like that. If I want to look up [[Coal liquefaction]], that link doesn't even take me to the ''recipe''. It takes me to some text that describes it, but I have to scroll up to the top of the page to find the recipe itself.
			::: The game names these recipes; people are going to search the wiki for those names. We at least need redirects for them. I agree that we don't need a page for every metal casting or bio-whatever recipe. But people do need to be able to find whatever that page will be. And we shouldn't have large omnibus pages; pages on topics are important, but they shouldn't be replacements for recipes. The [[Inserters]] page describes the mechanics of all inserters; it does not replace the pages for any particular inserter types. [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 15:03, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Cardinal at 08:40, 20 January 2025

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-:: Also, which method is preferred? [[User:Iridium235|Iridium235]]  ([[User talk:Iridium235|talk]]) 23:35, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
+:: In conclusion, my personal opinion is that just list related recipes in few topic pages. For example, all informations on enemies are concluded in the page [[Enemies]], it can be referenced anywhere when needed, and when any changes happened, only the topic page need to be updated. That could improve the maintainability of the entire wiki system, reduce unnecessary new/redirect pages and increase the information density of existing topic pages (such as [[Oil processing]] and [[Uranium processing]]). Perhaps some new topic pages are needed, but finally that could beneficial for improving the efficiency of information circulation.  -- [[User:Cardinal|Cardinal]] ([[User talk:Cardinal|talk]])  08:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

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			:: Also, which method is preferred? [[User:Iridium235\|Iridium235]] ([[User talk:Iridium235\|talk]]) 23:35, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
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Iridium235: /* Should the page list all biochamber recipes? */ Updated text

2025-01-17T23:23:13Z

Should the page list all biochamber recipes?: Updated text

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	: Well, the alternate recipes are all listed on the pages for that item. All of the recipes are technically somewhere else, so its viable to remove them. At the same time, I'd prefer not to get into the situation that the Foundry is in, where several metal casting pages are just a page for the Foundry's version of making that item. [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 22:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)		: Well, the alternate recipes are all listed on the pages for that item. All of the recipes are technically somewhere else, so its viable to remove them. At the same time, I'd prefer not to get into the situation that the Foundry is in, where several metal casting pages are just a page for the Foundry's version of making that item. [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 22:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

	:: People might be confused as to what the machines can and can't produce, though. For example, the electromagnetic plant's description states that it "specializes in electronics" but can't craft electric engines. Although I do agree that it does take a large amount of space. Maybe use the expand/collapse folder to save space? (~~See the [[rocket silo]] trivia~~). [[User:Iridium235\|Iridium235]] ([[User talk:Iridium235\|talk]]) 23:13, 18 January 2025 (UTC)		:: People might be confused as to what the machines can and can't produce, though. For example, the electromagnetic plant's description states that it "specializes in electronics" but can't craft electric engines. Although I do agree that it does take a large amount of space. Maybe use the expand/collapse folder to save space? (see below).[[User:Iridium235\|Iridium235]] ([[User talk:Iridium235\|talk]]) 23:23, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

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Iridium235: /* Should the page list all biochamber recipes? */ Stats added

2025-01-17T23:14:29Z

Should the page list all biochamber recipes?: Stats added

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	: Well, the alternate recipes are all listed on the pages for that item. All of the recipes are technically somewhere else, so its viable to remove them. At the same time, I'd prefer not to get into the situation that the Foundry is in, where several metal casting pages are just a page for the Foundry's version of making that item. [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 22:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)		: Well, the alternate recipes are all listed on the pages for that item. All of the recipes are technically somewhere else, so its viable to remove them. At the same time, I'd prefer not to get into the situation that the Foundry is in, where several metal casting pages are just a page for the Foundry's version of making that item. [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 22:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

	:: People might be confused as to what the machines can and can't produce, though. For example, the electromagnetic plant's description states that it "specializes in electronics" but can't craft electric engines. Although I do agree that it does take a large amount of space. Maybe use the expand/collapse folder to save space? (See the [[rocket silo]] trivia)		:: People might be confused as to what the machines can and can't produce, though. For example, the electromagnetic plant's description states that it "specializes in electronics" but can't craft electric engines. Although I do agree that it does take a large amount of space. Maybe use the expand/collapse folder to save space? (See the [[rocket silo]] trivia). [[User:Iridium235\|Iridium235]] ([[User talk:Iridium235\|talk]]) 23:13, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Iridium235: /* Should the page list all biochamber recipes? */

2025-01-17T23:13:02Z

Should the page list all biochamber recipes?

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	: Well, the alternate recipes are all listed on the pages for that item. All of the recipes are technically somewhere else, so its viable to remove them. At the same time, I'd prefer not to get into the situation that the Foundry is in, where several metal casting pages are just a page for the Foundry's version of making that item. [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 22:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)		: Well, the alternate recipes are all listed on the pages for that item. All of the recipes are technically somewhere else, so its viable to remove them. At the same time, I'd prefer not to get into the situation that the Foundry is in, where several metal casting pages are just a page for the Foundry's version of making that item. [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 22:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

			:: People might be confused as to what the machines can and can't produce, though. For example, the electromagnetic plant's description states that it "specializes in electronics" but can't craft electric engines. Although I do agree that it does take a large amount of space. Maybe use the expand/collapse folder to save space? (See the [[rocket silo]] trivia)

Alfonse: /* Should the page list all biochamber recipes? */

2025-01-17T22:25:59Z

Should the page list all biochamber recipes?

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	Should this page list all of the recipes that the biochamber can craft? Currently it lists them. Points against: the recipes are hard to keep updated and take up a large part of the page because they are so many, which may be a bit of information overload. This why for example the assembling machine pages do not list the craftable recipes. Points in favor: Many recipes are alternate recipes that (currently) do not have their own pages, so they have to be listed somewhere, might as well be here. -- [[User:Bilka\|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka\|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 20:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC)		Should this page list all of the recipes that the biochamber can craft? Currently it lists them. Points against: the recipes are hard to keep updated and take up a large part of the page because they are so many, which may be a bit of information overload. This why for example the assembling machine pages do not list the craftable recipes. Points in favor: Many recipes are alternate recipes that (currently) do not have their own pages, so they have to be listed somewhere, might as well be here. -- [[User:Bilka\|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka\|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 20:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

			: Well, the alternate recipes are all listed on the pages for that item. All of the recipes are technically somewhere else, so its viable to remove them. At the same time, I'd prefer not to get into the situation that the Foundry is in, where several metal casting pages are just a page for the Foundry's version of making that item. [[User:Alfonse\|Alfonse]] ([[User talk:Alfonse\|talk]]) 22:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Bilka: /* Should the page list all biochamber recipes? */ new section

2025-01-17T20:12:00Z

Should the page list all biochamber recipes?: new section

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== Should the page list all biochamber recipes? ==

Should this page list all of the recipes that the biochamber can craft? Currently it lists them. Points against: the recipes are hard to keep updated and take up a large part of the page because they are so many, which may be a bit of information overload. This why for example the assembling machine pages do not list the craftable recipes. Points in favor: Many recipes are alternate recipes that (currently) do not have their own pages, so they have to be listed somewhere, might as well be here. -- [[User:Bilka|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 20:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC)