Talk:Beacon - Revision history

Bilka: /* The entire section about Beacon Arrays is outdated */ Removed it from the page for now

2026-11-09T14:21:03Z

The entire section about Beacon Arrays is outdated: Removed it from the page for now

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	This section still implicitly assumes the pre 2.0 numbers for how beacons work. Post the 2.0 update, due to the transmission power being tripled, and effect multiple Beacons diminishing by square root of number of beacons affecting the machine, the best layouts (in terms of amortization times of the cost of the expensive modules needed for the layout) are those that maximize machines per beacon, since the 2nd Beacon affecting a machine is worth barely over 40% of what the first one was (this effect is even more skewed when you consider how prod module speed modifiers impact the math). Ironically, the original derivation is close to being right, if you swap machines and beacons, the best layout is a 12 machines per beacon for 3x3 machines and you can make this tileable with some care for input and output handling. [[User:Frightning\|Frightning]] ([[User talk:Frightning\|talk]]) 02:31, 15 August 2026 (UTC)		This section still implicitly assumes the pre 2.0 numbers for how beacons work. Post the 2.0 update, due to the transmission power being tripled, and effect multiple Beacons diminishing by square root of number of beacons affecting the machine, the best layouts (in terms of amortization times of the cost of the expensive modules needed for the layout) are those that maximize machines per beacon, since the 2nd Beacon affecting a machine is worth barely over 40% of what the first one was (this effect is even more skewed when you consider how prod module speed modifiers impact the math). Ironically, the original derivation is close to being right, if you swap machines and beacons, the best layout is a 12 machines per beacon for 3x3 machines and you can make this tileable with some care for input and output handling. [[User:Frightning\|Frightning]] ([[User talk:Frightning\|talk]]) 02:31, 15 August 2026 (UTC)
			: I've removed the section for now, since the premise of it is outdated as well (so it is not as simple as only updating the numbers). Arrays are already covered by "Maximum number per building" section, so I think the page is fine without the beacon array section. But maybe someone can rewrite it for 2.0/2.1 and add it back. -- [[User:Bilka\|Bilka]] ([[User talk:Bilka\|talk]]) - <span style="color:#FF0000">Admin</span> 14:20, 9 November 2026 (UTC)

Frightning: /* About that cleanup notice */

2026-08-15T02:31:35Z

About that cleanup notice

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	* Sorry about that, I seem to have added it by accident due to some caching issues I'm adding. It seems pretty good. The only thing I'd feel like we could add is the Factoriopedia's graph about diminishing returns, but the rewrite is already more than enough. [[User:Brin\|Brin]] ([[User talk:Brin\|talk]]) 00:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)		* Sorry about that, I seem to have added it by accident due to some caching issues I'm adding. It seems pretty good. The only thing I'd feel like we could add is the Factoriopedia's graph about diminishing returns, but the rewrite is already more than enough. [[User:Brin\|Brin]] ([[User talk:Brin\|talk]]) 00:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

			== The entire section about Beacon Arrays is outdated ==

			This section still implicitly assumes the pre 2.0 numbers for how beacons work. Post the 2.0 update, due to the transmission power being tripled, and effect multiple Beacons diminishing by square root of number of beacons affecting the machine, the best layouts (in terms of amortization times of the cost of the expensive modules needed for the layout) are those that maximize machines per beacon, since the 2nd Beacon affecting a machine is worth barely over 40% of what the first one was (this effect is even more skewed when you consider how prod module speed modifiers impact the math). Ironically, the original derivation is close to being right, if you swap machines and beacons, the best layout is a 12 machines per beacon for 3x3 machines and you can make this tileable with some care for input and output handling. [[User:Frightning\|Frightning]] ([[User talk:Frightning\|talk]]) 02:31, 15 August 2026 (UTC)

Brin: /* About that cleanup notice */

2024-11-06T00:57:07Z

About that cleanup notice

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	== About that cleanup notice ==		== About that cleanup notice ==
	So, someone added a cleanup notice about how the page needs to be rewritten due to the 2.0 rework of beacons. I'm a bit confused by this, since it was added almost six hours after I did just that. If there's something I missed, then I would like to know. - [[User:Tecanec\|tecanec]] ([[User talk:Tecanec\|talk]]) 08:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)		So, someone added a cleanup notice about how the page needs to be rewritten due to the 2.0 rework of beacons. I'm a bit confused by this, since it was added almost six hours after I did just that. If there's something I missed, then I would like to know. - [[User:Tecanec\|tecanec]] ([[User talk:Tecanec\|talk]]) 08:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

			* Sorry about that, I seem to have added it by accident due to some caching issues I'm adding. It seems pretty good. The only thing I'd feel like we could add is the Factoriopedia's graph about diminishing returns, but the rewrite is already more than enough. [[User:Brin\|Brin]] ([[User talk:Brin\|talk]]) 00:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Tecanec: Created page with "== About that cleanup notice == So, someone added a cleanup notice about how the page needs to be rewritten due to the 2.0 rework of beacons. I'm a bit confused by this, since it was added almost six hours after I did just that. If there's something I missed, then I would like to know. - ~~~~"

2024-11-04T08:23:52Z

Created page with "== About that cleanup notice == So, someone added a cleanup notice about how the page needs to be rewritten due to the 2.0 rework of beacons. I'm a bit confused by this, since it was added almost six hours after I did just that. If there's something I missed, then I would like to know. - ~~~~"

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== About that cleanup notice ==
So, someone added a cleanup notice about how the page needs to be rewritten due to the 2.0 rework of beacons. I'm a bit confused by this, since it was added almost six hours after I did just that. If there's something I missed, then I would like to know. - [[User:Tecanec|tecanec]] ([[User talk:Tecanec|talk]]) 08:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)