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	~~This is about how many [[Boiler]]s, [[Pump]]s, [[Steam engine]]s and also ratios of [[Solar panel]] and [[Basic accumulator]] (and more).~~

	~~== Hot liquids ==~~

	~~=== Steam engines, pumps and boilers ===~~

	~~{\| class="wikitable"~~
	~~\|+ Needed number of entities in different situations~~
	~~! Situation !! # of steam engines !! # of boilers !! # offshore pumps !! Comment~~
	\|-
	~~\| One steam engine \|\| '''1''' \|\| 2 \|\| 1 \|\| Could be used in very niche situations~~
	\|-
	~~\| One off-shore pump \|\| 10 \|\| 14 \|\| '''1'~~'' ~~\|\| A very popular and widely-used setup~~
	\|-
	~~\| Full throughput of a pipe \|\| max. 21 \|\| max. 28 \|\| 3 \|\| Total throughput depends on the length of the pipe~~
	\|}


	~~Each steam engine needs roughly 1.31 boilers when running at full capacity.~~

	One [[Pump\|offshore pump]] can satisfy 14 [[Boiler]]s and 10 [[Steam engine\|steam engines]]. 13 boilers will make the job also, but this tends to have problems to raise the temp after coal shortness or other accidents ([[Biter]]s love to attack the boilers).

	To fully satisfy a pipe you need 3 [[Pump]]s or 5 [[Small pump]]s (or better 6, but that depends on pressure!). But with this setup you will find, that the length of your pipe-setup will influence this too much. This is definitely not a beginner strategy.

	~~==== See also ====~~
	* [http:~~//www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5950 Research topic about energy]~~
	* [[~~Liquids/Hot\|Hot Liquids]]~~
	* [[Liquids/Pipe physics]].

	~~=== Hot liquids in tanks ===~~

	To equalize the needed throughput (different needs of energy between day and night for example), hot water from boilers can also be stored in [[Storage Tank\|storage tanks]] and used by extra steam engines during peak times or during night (if solar is in place). This energy storage technique can be used instead of or in addition to [[Basic accumulator\|accumulators]].

	~~See [[Liquids/Hot~~#~~Storing_hot_liquids_as_energy_storage\|about storing of hot liquids]] how to use that.~~

	~~== Solar Panels/Accumulators ==~~

	~~=== Optimal ratio ===~~

	~~The optimal ratio is 0.84 (21:25) accumulators per solar panel,~~ and ~~23.8 solar panels per megawatt required by your factory (this ratio accounts for solar panels~~ needed ~~to charge the accumulators)~~.

	A "close enough" ratio is 20:24:1 accumulators to solar panels to megawatts required (for example, a factory requiring 10 MW can be approximately entirely powered, day and night, by 200 accumulators and 240 solar panels - this approximation differs from optimal only in that it calls for 2 extra solar panels, which is negligible).

	~~This is taken from [http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5594 Accumulator / Solar Panel Ratio] (which calculates this in an impressive mathematical way!)~~ and ~~[https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?p=143317#p143317 another post in that thread] (which calculates the solar panel to megawatt ratio in a much less impressive way).~~

	~~There~~ are ~~also these related older threads:~~

	* http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?~~f=5&t=5168~~
	* http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5394
	* http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7619

	~~=== Perfect placing ===~~

	* [http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1865 Big Solar Farm]~~: About the perfect placing of panels~~
	* [https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?p=124780#p124780 9x9 Blueprint]: A suggestion for a repeatable tile with a 5:6 accumulator to solar panel ratio that happens to coincide with the 20:24 "close enough" ratio above (4 of these tiles can provide 1 MW of continuous power).

JasonC: /* Solar Panels/Accumulators */ add ratio for power requirement, note about approximate ratio, handy blueprint link from forum

2016-04-03T21:02:46Z

Solar Panels/Accumulators: add ratio for power requirement, note about approximate ratio, handy blueprint link from forum

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	=== Optimal ratio ===		=== Optimal ratio ===

	The optimal ratio is 0.84 (21:25) accumulators per solar panel.		The optimal ratio is 0.84 (21:25) accumulators per solar panel, and 23.8 solar panels per megawatt required by your factory (this ratio accounts for solar panels needed to charge the accumulators).

	~~This~~ is ~~taken from [http~~:~~//www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5594 Accumulator / Solar panel ratio]~~, ~~which calculates~~ this in ~~an impressive mathematical way!~~		A "close enough" ratio is 20:24:1 accumulators to solar panels to megawatts required (for example, a factory requiring 10 MW can be approximately entirely powered, day and night, by 200 accumulators and 240 solar panels - this approximation differs from optimal only in that it calls for 2 extra solar panels, which is negligible).

	There are ~~former~~ threads:		This is taken from [http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5594 Accumulator / Solar Panel Ratio] (which calculates this in an impressive mathematical way!) and [https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?p=143317#p143317 another post in that thread] (which calculates the solar panel to megawatt ratio in a much less impressive way).

			There are also these related older threads:

	* http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5168		* http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5168
	* http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5394		* http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5394

	~~And later:~~
	* http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7619		* http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7619

	=== Perfect placing ===		=== Perfect placing ===

	* [http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1865 Big ~~solar farm~~]: About the perfect placing of panels		* [http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1865 Big Solar Farm]: About the perfect placing of panels
			* [https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?p=124780#p124780 9x9 Blueprint]: A suggestion for a repeatable tile with a 5:6 accumulator to solar panel ratio that happens to coincide with the 20:24 "close enough" ratio above (4 of these tiles can provide 1 MW of continuous power).

Tyroney: /* Solar Panels/Accumulators */ fixed ratio order to match sentence

2016-03-30T22:24:02Z

Solar Panels/Accumulators: fixed ratio order to match sentence

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	=== Optimal ratio ===		=== Optimal ratio ===

	The optimal ratio is 0.84 (25~~:21~~) accumulators per solar panel.		The optimal ratio is 0.84 (21:25) accumulators per solar panel.

	This is taken from [http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5594 Accumulator / Solar panel ratio], which calculates this in an impressive mathematical way!		This is taken from [http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5594 Accumulator / Solar panel ratio], which calculates this in an impressive mathematical way!

H3half at 19:50, 21 March 2016

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	See [[Liquids/Hot#Storing_hot_liquids_as_energy_storage\|about storing of hot liquids]] how to use that.		See [[Liquids/Hot#Storing_hot_liquids_as_energy_storage\|about storing of hot liquids]] how to use that.

	== Solar/~~Accu~~ ==		== Solar Panels/Accumulators ==

	=== Optimal ratio ===		=== Optimal ratio ===

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	! Situation !! # of steam engines !! # of boilers !! # offshore pumps !! Comment		! Situation !! # of steam engines !! # of boilers !! # offshore pumps !! Comment
	\|-		\|-
	\| One steam engine \|\| '''1''' \|\| 2 \|\| 1 \|\| ~~makes barely sense~~		\| One steam engine \|\| '''1''' \|\| 2 \|\| 1 \|\| Could be used in very niche situations
	\|-		\|-
	\| One off-shore pump \|\| 10 \|\| 14 \|\| '''1''' \|\| ~~this is the most~~ used setup!		\| One off-shore pump \|\| 10 \|\| 14 \|\| '''1''' \|\| A very popular and widely-used setup
	\|-		\|-
	\| Full throughput of a pipe \|\| max. 21 \|\| max. 28 \|\| ~~2, better~~ 3 \|\| ~~the total~~ throughput depends on the ~~total~~ length of ~~all pipes in a row~~		\| Full throughput of a pipe \|\| max. 21 \|\| max. 28 \|\| 3 \|\| Total throughput depends on the length of the pipe
	\|}		\|}

Ssilk: Changed table, cause I need to think 3 minutes how to interpret it. Dunno, who has made that... :)

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Changed table, cause I need to think 3 minutes how to interpret it. Dunno, who has made that... :)

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	{\| class="wikitable"		{\| class="wikitable"
	\|+ Needed number of entities in different situations		\|+ Needed number of entities in different situations
	! Situation -> !! ~~One~~ steam ~~engine~~ !! ~~One pump~~ !! ~~Full pipe~~		! Situation !! # of steam engines !! # of boilers !! # offshore pumps !! Comment
	\|-		\|-
	\| ~~Steam engines~~ \|\| 1 \|\| 10 \|\| ~~21 ? (depends also on length of the pipes)~~		\| One steam engine \|\| '''1''' \|\| 2 \|\| 1 \|\| makes barely sense
	\|-		\|-
	\| ~~Boilers~~ \|\| 2 \|\| 14 \|\| ~~28 ?~~		\| One off-shore pump \|\| 10 \|\| 14 \|\| '''1''' \|\| this is the most used setup!
	\|-		\|-
	\| ~~Pumps~~ \|\| 1 \|\| 1 \|\| 3		\| Full throughput of a pipe \|\| max. 21 \|\| max. 28 \|\| 2, better 3 \|\| the total throughput depends on the total length of all pipes in a row
	\|}		\|}


	Each steam engine needs roughly 1.31 boilers when running at full capacity.		Each steam engine needs roughly 1.31 boilers when running at full capacity.

Ssilk: /* Steam engines, pumps and boilers */

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Steam engines, pumps and boilers

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	To fully satisfy a pipe you need 3 [[Pump]]s or 5 [[Small pump]]s (or better 6, but that depends on pressure!). But with this setup you will find, that the length of your pipe-setup will influence this too much. This is definitely not a beginner strategy.		To fully satisfy a pipe you need 3 [[Pump]]s or 5 [[Small pump]]s (or better 6, but that depends on pressure!). But with this setup you will find, that the length of your pipe-setup will influence this too much. This is definitely not a beginner strategy.

	See also [[Liquids/Hot\|Hot Liquids]] ~~and~~ [[Liquids/Pipe physics]].		==== See also ====
			* [http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5950 Research topic about energy]
			* [[Liquids/Hot\|Hot Liquids]]
			* [[Liquids/Pipe physics]].

	=== Hot liquids in tanks ===		=== Hot liquids in tanks ===

Ssilk: /* Solar/Accu */

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Solar/Accu

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	=== Optimal ratio ===		=== Optimal ratio ===

	The optimal ratio is 0.84 accumulators per solar panel.		The optimal ratio is 0.84 (25:21) accumulators per solar panel.

	This is taken from [http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5594 Accumulator / Solar panel ratio].		This is taken from [http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5594 Accumulator / Solar panel ratio], which calculates this in an impressive mathematical way!

			There are former threads:

			* http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5168
			* http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5394

			And later:
			* http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7619

	=== Perfect placing ===		=== Perfect placing ===

	* [http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1865 Big solar farm]: About the perfect placing of panels		* [http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1865 Big solar farm]: About the perfect placing of panels